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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://performanceevolution.wordpress.com/2006/04/26/writing-objectives-that-produce-results-%e2%80%93-part-2/#comment-5290</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link Jaci:

http://performanceevolution.wordpress.com/2006/05/11/writing-smart-goals-%e2%80%93-part-3/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link Jaci:</p>
<p><a href="http://performanceevolution.wordpress.com/2006/05/11/writing-smart-goals-%e2%80%93-part-3/" rel="nofollow">http://performanceevolution.wordpress.com/2006/05/11/writing-smart-goals-%e2%80%93-part-3/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jaci Tusman</title>
		<link>http://performanceevolution.wordpress.com/2006/04/26/writing-objectives-that-produce-results-%e2%80%93-part-2/#comment-5269</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaci Tusman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,
Where is part three of this article located?? I can&#039;t find it. I want to read it and share it.
Thanks,
Jaci</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,<br />
Where is part three of this article located?? I can&#8217;t find it. I want to read it and share it.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Jaci</p>
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		<title>By: Vijay Gangapersad</title>
		<link>http://performanceevolution.wordpress.com/2006/04/26/writing-objectives-that-produce-results-%e2%80%93-part-2/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Vijay Gangapersad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good stuff. I am preparing for a training workshop in writing objectives and I find that this material is very useful. Any more useful information? Any way thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good stuff. I am preparing for a training workshop in writing objectives and I find that this material is very useful. Any more useful information? Any way thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Management information</title>
		<link>http://performanceevolution.wordpress.com/2006/04/26/writing-objectives-that-produce-results-%e2%80%93-part-2/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Management information</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 06:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Management information&lt;/strong&gt;

Cool, very good article, i like it.. plz wrte more...</description>
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<p>Cool, very good article, i like it.. plz wrte more&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: How do you set objectives when there’s little clarity of business goals? &#171; The performance management evolution</title>
		<link>http://performanceevolution.wordpress.com/2006/04/26/writing-objectives-that-produce-results-%e2%80%93-part-2/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>How do you set objectives when there’s little clarity of business goals? &#171; The performance management evolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 05:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is a good question and one that a reader David has asked in response to my post on Writing Objectives that Produce Results. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The performance management evolution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Revealing insights into 360 degree feedback</title>
		<link>http://performanceevolution.wordpress.com/2006/04/26/writing-objectives-that-produce-results-%e2%80%93-part-2/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>The performance management evolution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Revealing insights into 360 degree feedback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 May 2006 00:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Objectives and SMART goals &#8211; part 2 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://performanceevolution.wordpress.com/2006/04/26/writing-objectives-that-produce-results-%e2%80%93-part-2/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 06:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Sam.  Hope it goes well for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Sam.  Hope it goes well for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 03:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG  I just looked through the goals I have set my staff and most of them are actions!!!  Thanks heaps for the writing about this.  Only problem is, now I have some work to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG  I just looked through the goals I have set my staff and most of them are actions!!!  Thanks heaps for the writing about this.  Only problem is, now I have some work to do.</p>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 04:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a great contribution David, thanks!

You have raised some really good points.  Getting people in a large organisation aligned with the business goals and balancing those goals are all things I&#039;ll be going into in future articles.

When you say &quot;It might be better to to set an objective that focuses on expanding the revenue from custmers while also constraining sales costs&quot; that&#039;s quite insightful.  At the right levels in the organisation you would be wanting to do that. At the lower levels you want to stay aligned with that goal, but also set objectives that are within a person&#039;s control. 

It is possible to set SMART goals within your own unit without the clarity of business goals.  But you really want support from the top down.  So you&#039;ll be pleased to know that there&#039;s research showing that organisations using good performance management practices are more profitable.  

Heaps of great stuff to talk about ... I can&#039;t wait to get some of these articles out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a great contribution David, thanks!</p>
<p>You have raised some really good points.  Getting people in a large organisation aligned with the business goals and balancing those goals are all things I&#8217;ll be going into in future articles.</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;It might be better to to set an objective that focuses on expanding the revenue from custmers while also constraining sales costs&#8221; that&#8217;s quite insightful.  At the right levels in the organisation you would be wanting to do that. At the lower levels you want to stay aligned with that goal, but also set objectives that are within a person&#8217;s control. </p>
<p>It is possible to set SMART goals within your own unit without the clarity of business goals.  But you really want support from the top down.  So you&#8217;ll be pleased to know that there&#8217;s research showing that organisations using good performance management practices are more profitable.  </p>
<p>Heaps of great stuff to talk about &#8230; I can&#8217;t wait to get some of these articles out.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 14:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree with the principle of setting KPIs in terms of key business objectives rather than actions.  The bottom line for business are the outcomes.  Even the best intended or most extensive actions are worthless unless they result in a net positive outcome.  However, for me it is a big leap from the example you gave to applying this method in a practical manner, particularly in a large organisation.  Let me explain, based on your example, &amp; finish with my question.....

One other thing that normally makes existing customers important is that retaining existing customers generally costs considerably less than finding new customers (although there may be some existing customers that cost more to service than they are worth).  However, business growth generally relies on expanding the customer base, so there needs to be a balance between retaining the existing customer base and growing it.  

I know you are trying to keep things simple here, but there are a couple of aspects that I think are important to add about setting good objectives, implied by my last two paragraphs.  

Keeping 99% of existing customers or getting a customer service rating of 4 out of 5 is only a good outcome if the cost of doing so is adequately lower than the revenue generated.  Also, focusing only on existing customers usually limits business growth and leaves the business more exposed to changes in fortune than it would be with a larger customer base - losing one of three customers is much worse than losing one of one hundred.

It might be better to to set an objective that focuses on expanding the revenue from custmers while also constraining sales costs.  The right objective would result in growing a customer base that was relatively inexpensive to obtain and retain and provided healthy revenues, relative to their costs.  The difficulty in setting such an objective at an individual or team level is that many other factors outside of their direct control, such as your example of the customer service staff, directly affect the bottom line and their personal objectives.  

Even ignoring these factors setting objectives as I described requires the business keep accurate records of sales costs and revenue on customer by customer basis or a salesperson by sales person basis - often very difficult to do in larger businesses where the channel to market and/or the supply chain is long and/or complex.

For this approach to work best, it needs the full support from the top down and a business that  maintains an adequate resolution of business metrics.  Again, something I have found in the last 20 years to be a rare thing.

How do I set SMART objectives that I can clearly link to the business bottom line without necessarily having the the clarity of business goals or resolution of metrics?  If the answer is &quot;I can&#039;t&quot;, then how do I convince the organisation from the top down, to make significant changes to their business systems so that I can set these objectives in a practical way (how do I prove an adequate return on investment)?

I look forward to your future articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree with the principle of setting KPIs in terms of key business objectives rather than actions.  The bottom line for business are the outcomes.  Even the best intended or most extensive actions are worthless unless they result in a net positive outcome.  However, for me it is a big leap from the example you gave to applying this method in a practical manner, particularly in a large organisation.  Let me explain, based on your example, &amp; finish with my question&#8230;..</p>
<p>One other thing that normally makes existing customers important is that retaining existing customers generally costs considerably less than finding new customers (although there may be some existing customers that cost more to service than they are worth).  However, business growth generally relies on expanding the customer base, so there needs to be a balance between retaining the existing customer base and growing it.  </p>
<p>I know you are trying to keep things simple here, but there are a couple of aspects that I think are important to add about setting good objectives, implied by my last two paragraphs.  </p>
<p>Keeping 99% of existing customers or getting a customer service rating of 4 out of 5 is only a good outcome if the cost of doing so is adequately lower than the revenue generated.  Also, focusing only on existing customers usually limits business growth and leaves the business more exposed to changes in fortune than it would be with a larger customer base &#8211; losing one of three customers is much worse than losing one of one hundred.</p>
<p>It might be better to to set an objective that focuses on expanding the revenue from custmers while also constraining sales costs.  The right objective would result in growing a customer base that was relatively inexpensive to obtain and retain and provided healthy revenues, relative to their costs.  The difficulty in setting such an objective at an individual or team level is that many other factors outside of their direct control, such as your example of the customer service staff, directly affect the bottom line and their personal objectives.  </p>
<p>Even ignoring these factors setting objectives as I described requires the business keep accurate records of sales costs and revenue on customer by customer basis or a salesperson by sales person basis &#8211; often very difficult to do in larger businesses where the channel to market and/or the supply chain is long and/or complex.</p>
<p>For this approach to work best, it needs the full support from the top down and a business that  maintains an adequate resolution of business metrics.  Again, something I have found in the last 20 years to be a rare thing.</p>
<p>How do I set SMART objectives that I can clearly link to the business bottom line without necessarily having the the clarity of business goals or resolution of metrics?  If the answer is &#8220;I can&#8217;t&#8221;, then how do I convince the organisation from the top down, to make significant changes to their business systems so that I can set these objectives in a practical way (how do I prove an adequate return on investment)?</p>
<p>I look forward to your future articles.</p>
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